Limited has released their Santa Fe 2-10-2/4 models.
The 2-10-2 version is available as numbers 3877, 3879, 3881 and undecorated. Production
models can be seen on Broadway's website.
3800 class included locos 3800 - 3940, minus 3829 mentioned below. But not all
were the same, and modifications through their lives made each one unique. They
were produced 1919-1927 and lasted as late as 1955.
units being produced will accurately represent 3876-3882 during their early life.
- Cabs: The first
units had a square cab (3800-3890) while later one had a slanted front (sport)
cab (3891-3940). Also some of the cab roofs had an unusual raised area added when
20K tenders were added to make it possible for the fireman to get on the closely
- Drifting Valves:
These were added with modernization to some of the 3800s.
(built in 1923) were the first 3800s with a feedwater heater. They had the trident
- Main Driver: When the units were
modernized, a heaver main driver was added, circa late 30s.
Trucks: 3800-3849 were equipped with Hodges trailing trucks; 3850-3990 had Delta
trailing trucks. 3883-90 came with Franklin booster trailing trucks.
Domes: The earliest engines had only one sand dome. Production beginning with
3850 (1923) had two domes and the earlier models had a second dome later added.
Those on the coast lines often had flip back deflectors. Mike Schmitt reports
that the 90 degree deflector appears to be the only one used.
At least 6 different tenders were used on 3800s: 15K coal, 15K oil, 20K coal,
20K oil, flat 20K oil, and 3906 had a 12K whaleback tender in 1950-51 for switching.
The 15K oil was the most common. Around 1941 SANTA FE was added to the sides of
nearly all of the tenders for this class, but have been left off of these models
since they are of an earlier time period.
Limited is considering producing a modernized version of this locomotive next
The 2-10-4 will be 3829, Santa
Fe's first 2-10-4 and an experimental and developmental engine toward the later
2-10-4 engines. It was born with a 4 wheel trailing truck and a 15K coal tender.
Other than the trailing truck it was a standard 3800. It received a 20K long coal
tender in 1930 which was converted to oil in the late thirties. The 15K tender
proposed for the model is not correct for any of its configurations.
is a list of published photos of the specific engine numbers that Broadway Limited
has chosen. I would invite others to submit additional listings and notes.
have not seen on one in print.
Fe in the Mountains, p. 69, has 3879 leading a freight down Cajon Pass near
Sullivan's Curve. It is the modernized version. Most of the consist is visible.
Rail Passage to the Pacific, p. 181, has a color photo of 3879 pulling into
Summit, CA, as front helper on a 1948 train. Again it is the modernized version.
- Cajon: A Pictorial Album, p. 117, has a
color photo of 3879 on the point of a train at Summit, 5/29/50, as modernized.
Warbonnet, 4Q 2003, p. 22 contains the same color photo seen in Cajon: Rail
- Stan Kistler has a picture of
3879 in list SF-1 taken in 9/47 with no other modernization than a tunnel smoke
Fe: Steel Rails Through California shows 3881 at Victorville in 1947. It does
not have drifting valves, but does have extended cab, flip smote deflector, and
disk main driver.
- Santa Fe's Big 3, p. 19, builder photo with coal tender.
Locomotives of the Santa Fe, p. 105:
- Santa Fe photo, squarely on the
fireman side, coal tender, as delivered with 1 sand dome.
- 3/4 shot, engineer's
side, 1954, San Bernardino, 20K oil tender with SANTA FE on it, drifting valve
clearly shown (Ellington calls "valve by-pass).
- 3/4 shot, fireman's
side, 20K oil tender with number only on it, no drifting valve, no other data.
Railroader Cyclopedia Vol. 1 Steam Locomotives, p. 84, two shots, both of
the fireman's side, one early with coal tender and one with later trailing truck
(changed 1925) , Elesco heater pump and drifting valve, SANTA FE on tender.
Horses of Santa Fe Trail, p. 336, 3/4 shot of engineer's and one of fireman's
side, Raton, 1950, drifting valve, Raised roof on cab, SANTA FE on tender
Fe Texas Type 2-10-4 (Ainsworth), p. 7, 3/4 shot engineer's side, Raton, 1949,
drifting valve, SANTA FE on tender
- Santa Fe's
- p. 127, front of boiler only, engineer's side, drifting
- p. 134, fireman's side, as built, coal burner, one sand dome.
Fe Steam, the Last Decade, p. 67 3/4 shot, fireman's side, oil, no drifting
valve, no SANTA FE on tender. Text: "worked until 8-29-53 with its last years
devoted to freight and helper service on the NM Division."
Horses of Santa Fe Trail, p. 340, (no photo) sold for scrap 8-9-55
Quarterly 26:4, p. 32, good side shot, engineer's side, oil tender, 9-3-48,
drifting valve, two sand domes, Albuquerque.
- Steam Locomotives of the Santa Fe:
- p. 236, drawing
from Santa Fe's Car and Locomotive Plans for Model Railroaders. 15K oil
- p. 238, 20 K tender, oil and coal.
for the prototype modeler, the 2-10-2s are accurate only for the 1920-30s with
the exception of the 3879 which is accurate until 1947 but modernized by 1948.
The 3829 is not accurate for any time period. The undec version can be adapted
for 3800-3890 with many exceptions.
here for photos of Drifing Valves or Valve By-Pass.
here for a PDF of 3800 locomotive assignments and photo index circa 1950.
San Diego Model Railroad Museum website has photos
of some of the 3800 class on line.
Moore has supplied Tender assignment information
for the numbers selected.
and input to Steve Sandifer.
Borden has supplied a spreadsheet of 3800 photos
and modifications along with an explanatory index.
Unfortunately he did not take the feedwater heater into
account so includes locomotives as correct which are not.